As someone who has been a pediatrician in a community with a high level of antivaxx belief, and as one who has treated patients during an outbreak of vaccine-preventable illness in that community, I'm not at all happy with this article, and I fear that it is going to feed the flames of the vaccine-avoidance problem we already have. A few thing to point out:
-The US has a much larger and more economically-diverse population than Denmark. Our poor are poorer than Denmark's, and have consequently less access to healthcare when they are ill (as well as having less access to good nutrition--"food deserts" are very real). Children being hospitalized for RSV can bankrupt their parents, so prevention of hospitalization is very much a long-term health issue. Children with chickenpox can easily pass it to their grandparents, who end up in intensive care with varicella pneumonitis (not theoretical--I've seen this more than once) , which, again, leads to an obviously bad outcome. If the US did not have a significant subset of the population that is Fox News propagandized and more interested in actually educating themselves about their health beyond "one weird trick" approaches, I'd be all in favor of a robust public discussion about the relative benefits of immunization. As it is, we all saw the response to COVID-19 (in which regions with higher rates of immunization against SARS-CoV-2 had lower mortality rates than those with low rates) and the rise of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr's scare campaign (which has given us, among other things, an unnecessarily high death rate from the 2019 Samoa measles outbreak). If the US had a much smaller wealth gap, universal access to healthcare when needed, and nutrition education that was not dominated by the same agricultural corporations that provide us with high-fructose corn syrup- and palm oil-laden treats, we might have the basis for comparison. As it is, the US immunization system--flawed as it is--is designed to prevent the transmission of disease, and less to benefit the individual patient.
I have patients who are entirely unimmunized, and they attend school with children undergoing treatment for leukemia and autoimmune illnesses. That is a recipe for catastrophe, but that is the price of the absence of vaccine mandates. When--not if--one of these immune-suppressed kids falls ill with a vaccine-preventable illness that threatens their life, I'll deal with that, and so will that child's parents. The parents of the unimmunized kids will read them "Maisie's Marvelous Measles" and go on with their lives.
Pediatricians are the worst of the worst, knowingly injecting poisons into healthy innocents. They all know the delimiting effects these $hots pose yet they continue to pump these poor babies with the poison all the while they continue to collect kickback$ Big Pharma feeds them. There is a special place in hell for these pediatricians.
Got my flu and my latest COVID19, so I am indeed boosted. Laughed off a COVID infection that took out my unvaccinated neighbor. When you work with sick kids, you should be boosted.
Cleveland released a study recently, a 27% increase in flu in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated not to mention mercury/thimerosal exposure and it attendant risks.
Which vaccines currently use thimerosal, and how much mercury is taken up from thimerosal (ethylmercury) as compared to methylmecury? A link to Cleveland's study might be nice.
Have you tried fruitination? To be fruitinated all you need is to see a fruit avatar. It has a powerful psychological effect that makes people feel safe and secure in a new paradigm. Do you want to join in and help fruitinate more people? All you need to do is add fruit to your avatars.
personally know a pediatrician who calculated her lifetime left on the table earnings for not bullying parents in jabbing constantly on schedule (and she has not retired yet) - 800K - its their bread n butter, add to that the increase in post jab visit sicknesses and new neuro issues and that is how they bank. There were no pediatricians - GP did it all before this new healthcare business. If a pediatrician pushes jabs all day - 72 by age 18 to every kid, he is just a salesman
Insurances only pay a bonus if a kid gets all their vaccines on time. Stretched-out schedules and missed appointments void that. meantime, if you're looking at twenty and forty bucks a patient, that's not going to get you to eight hundred grand anytime soon.
The linked paper is another Gish gallop. Most of the papers cited do not indicate what the blogger says they do.
so if you already know this why did you ask me who pays?! and proof is here on convid jabs even for small pt pops. read the actual studies- no matter the blogger.
I fully support your input here, but I would like to add the obvious(to me) ignorance about why there is a need to continue to administer HepB vaccine starting at birth. These are those reasons:
1. There remains an unknown level of those already infected with Hep B in the American, indeed the global, community.
2. The potential for an unimmunised child (or adult!)to contract Hep B from this source is therefore an ongoing risk, with the potential for long term liver damage, liver failure and hepatic cancer to supervene.
The use of community-wide immunisation against these risks, starting at birth is, at this point in time, and within the bounds of current knowledge, the ONLY way to prevent this cascade of chronic disease from occurring!
I find it very difficult to understand how such apparently qualified and trained scientists would propose any reduction in this schedule.
The Harvard Pilgrim Study concluded only 1% of injuries and deaths from vaccines are reported to VAERS due to voluntary reporting and follow up safety studies are nonexistent though were a requirement when the vaccine liability act was passed in 1986. This court is very challenging with the deck stacked against claimants as it’s adjucated by government judges with no trials. Despite these factors, to date 9500 claimants have been paid $4,500,000,000 since 1989. If reporting was mandatory on the part of physicians, and a more fair system to try these cases was put in place, we can extrapolate these numbers to be 1,000,000 cases and $450,000,000,000.
No wonder there’s RFK, Jr speaking to transparent gold standard research to allow informed consent and freedom to chose what goes into our children’s bodies.
The Harvard Pilgrim review did NOT say for injuries AND deaths. It reported, in one single sentence, that vaccine injuries were reported at 1%. It does not differentiate vaccine injuries between minor and severe like it did for drug reactions, but logic would indicate a similar split between the likelihood of reporting a serious event versus a minor one. Running with a blanket "1% of injuries and deaths from vaccines are reported" based on this single report is lying by omission. Using a single sentence to justify the idea that serious adverse events are not being reported is misrepresenting the scope of The Harvard Pilgrim Study. Embarrassingly devoid of critical thought on your part and everyone who repeats it.
What’s embarrassing is your intentional diversion tactic and overreaction. Indeed over 90% of injuries aren’t being reported and subsequently the public is again being mislead as to safety. Until it’s mandatory reporting, the gaslighting of parents will continue due to money and arrogance.
Now you're completely making things up. You have absolutely NOTHING to base that 90% claim on. And you still have no idea what the reporting rate difference is between minor and severe reactions. VAERs is not the only vaccine monitoring system and is certainly not the only gateway to proving a vaccine's safety profile. The fact you need to be told this is very telling.
So you’re going to try to coverup vaccine injuries with this fake indignation and pretending I’m off base while children are getting injured with the toxic cocktail? 1% is the reporting rate, enjoy your delusional BS pHARMa shill.
How quickly the facade melts away for ignorant anti-vaxxers.
You think dismissing a single sentence from a single report in 2011 is "covering up vaccine injuries." You ignore the other vaccine monitoring systems, trials, and third-party studies which conclusively show vaccines are safe and effective. But i'm sure you also confuse this line with "perfectly safe and perfectly effective" which absolutely no one claims.
Still don't see any link to a real study, rather than an assertion from an HMO in Massachusetts that likes to use Harvard's name to boost its credibility.
So an HMO that is selling a software package to overhaul VAERS claims--does not demonstrate, claims--that a system that gets huge numbers of reports from physicians, hospitals and the community, and is well known to the anti-vaxx community is not getting reports of reactions and negative events? Tell me, how many cases of Guillan-Barre avoid hospitalization?
Meanwhile, we have a guy famous for running an anti-vaxx outfit that went as far as to work with AfD in Germany, and who appointed a guy with a history of falsified data to conduct a study on immunization-autism links, and that's "gold standard"?
You can use any software package you like, that’s not addressing the real issue, which is what the study tells us. The real issue the study identified is that physicians aren’t mandated to report injuries and don’t according to this study, irregardless of setting, software package, etc. There’s a huge disincentive for a physician to voluntarily report an injury temporally associated with a procedure so as not to self-incriminate. These huge numbers you indicate, are much worse and are just the tip of the iceberg.
The same study shows a higher reporting rate for serious reactions to drugs. Logic would indicate the same for vaccine reactions. But you'll ignore that reality and run with the single sentence they published in 2011 as a catch-all to make your idiotic point. Shameful ignorance if you think serious events are not reported at a higher rate than minor injuries like a fever or sore arm.
1% is embarrassing and is used against the public to promote safe and effective. Again we see the usual over promise and underdeliver. Trust is down even amongst physicians of pHARMa and our “health” agencies. We spend more for less by overall measures by 2-3 times and rank 40th give or take by the WHO, and 69th in outcomes behind VietNam and even with Algeria. This is what happens with the fraudulent healthcare system filled with corruption and money first rather than patient outcomes.
1% is a single study and doesn't differentiate between minor and severe reactions. The only thing that's embarrassing here is your reliance on a single sentence from 2011 to base your entire point around.
The health in the USA is what happens when people are poorer every year, consume cheap and stimulating tasty treats frequently, aren't exercising, and indoors for 90% of their year. Simple as.
1. They threatened to pull out of vax manufacturing, unlike drugs, so they were far worse.
2. Disagree. We never observed this in schools, your answer falls far short of 1/10,000 to 1/22. No one buys that.
3. Frivolous lawsuits, no. Kids were being destroyed by shots. No lawyers waste their time on frivolous. The treatment of vax injuries is a $500,000,000,000 industry so they’re ok with that. Malfeasance and fraud are an impossible bar to reach.
4. Placebos aren’t other vaccines, saline is the standard, period.
Frivolous lawsuits, yes. There were actual cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) that were litigated, then the settlement-chasers showed up. You might want to link to the prevalence of vaccine injuries, rather than pulling twelve-figure numbers and weird fractions out of your...pocket.
Like to know how many cases of autism your needles caused? If it’s 1/36 or so, how many and did you report them to VAERS? Or is it ok to protect others for the common good when most aren’t sterilizing?
Saline isn't the standard. It is one option. You might want to, I don't know, actually talk to people who do medical research. You might also brush up on your medical ethics.
If you mean "performance bonuses" for meeting such wlidly inappropriate marks as documenting BMI at each visit, documenting having given safety and dietary advice and yes, completing immunizations on time--and I haven't gotten one of those in years, since no one is on-schedule, for a bunch of reasons. Who pays your bills, back-cracker?
You rightfully cite social determinants of health like income and access to nutrition as major determinants of disease. Then right after that you revive the tired trope of correlating vaccine hesitancy in red states (revealed by your mention of Fox News just after) with COVID mortality. But you must know that those very same geographical areas suffer most from exactly the social determinants you mention - the poorest states in the country are also the reddest. We're in the midst of a political realignment where the old class associations of the two party system are being scrambled.
Even still, there are exceptions to this simple narrative of ignorant Republicans dying needlessly of COVID: ND under Doug Burgum and FL under DeSantis fared among the best in the country for overall mortality during the pandemic, ahead of CA and NY for example (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_final/COVID19.htm). But none of this proves anything about vaccine efficacy nor scores points for anyone's chosen political tribe, left or right, because (again as you rightfully point out), health is extremely multifactorial and has many determinants, which vary geographically.
If you look at the COVID mortality rates in poor areas of blue states, they are lower than those of areas of red states with comparable socioeconomic characteristics. The poorest states in the country are indeed the reddest--refusing Medicaid will do that to you.
Florida's death rate was lower than California's and New York's early in the pandemic--and it climbed while NY's and CA's leveled off and declined. Sure looks like the vaccine made a difference!
What ‘outbreak’ did you have? How old were those kids when they developed the leukemia and autoimmunity? How and why did they get it? Why haven’t you cured them yet? You must’ve missed the Cleveland Clinic study and the Walgreens study showing more jabs more convid. And the very recent Yale study. And the over 4K studies readily available on google scholar showing convid jab harms and deaths. You must’ve never read vaccine inserts in full nor outloud. Nor given your ppl actual informed consent, just your unresearched opinion. You must’ve never read Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down, Inoculated- How Science Lost Its Soul in Autism telling of Simpsonwood and cdc coverups, etc., Animal Farm, or Propaganda by Bernays. Americans including doctors, don’t know propaganda when they see it, and they don’t know history. All channels are propaganda, all channels just ‘program’ American minds in different directions, anything to distract and hide the truth and keep us warring. Who pays and thus controls messages on nearly every channel? Most men and women cannot turn from that which feeds their wallet and comfort. Who profits, is bribed, is a blind follower, is just following orders, is guilty, is in need of repentance.
(The outbreak was mumps. The kids with leukemia were unfortunately genetically prone to it, and the one with autoimmune illness got it the old-fashioned way--following a Strep infection. They got them in their first decade of life. I haven't cured them because I'm not magic.)
Please, by all means, provide us links to the Cleveland Clinic study, the Walgreens (!) study. I'd love to get the real truth. By the way, the 2019 Samoa measles outbreak is pretty well documented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak , just in case the current Texas outbreak isn't enough to prove the point. If you have any studies indicating a higher prevalence of leukemia or autoimmune illness among vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated people, please, give us a link! Once again, I'd love to learn the truth.
She's pointing to measles-like reaction to measles vaccine as being a case of measles, which it isn't. This is especially significant as we've recently seen a teenager die from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis from measles the he caught a decade ago--quite possibly the Disneyland outbreak. If MMR vaccine lowers vitamin A levels, simple supplementation should bring them back up again.
Asking about bonuses and payments and inert placebo trials is not at all ‘goofy’ among the valid, numerous inquiries. Especially as you just admitted there IS bonuses- the first teo questions. And, you cannot share placebo controlled trials- the third question. And you refuse to read inserts. Saying these questions are goofy is entirely disingenuous and verifies you actually do not seek any truth in the matter as you stated early on. Another misleading falsehood from another pediatrician. Repent, and be blessed. Peace.
Neither are blogs. Looking at the blog, this guy's all over the map. He's pointing out that measles and mumps are low-incidence--in places with fairly high levels of immunization, and he's comparing rates of measles and mumps--droplet-spread illnesses, that are transmitted with a cough--with tickborne illnesses like Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and things spread by poorly-handled and unpasteurized foods like brucellosis and botulism. He's pointing out that there have been measles outbreaks every year, then jumps to a paper asking, if there are so many unimmunized people, where the outbreaks are. This is...not very sound science.
The research articles need to be actually read . And the books. And google scholar holds over 4K on covid jab harms and deaths. If you’re truly interested. Happy reading.
Yes, I'm quite sure that a (checks notes) private equity cowboy with a Stanford undergrad education has assembled a meta-analysis much more significant than decades of research in numerous medical schools and labs worldwide, and he is (of course) not motivated by profit. This is turning into an antivaxx Gish gallop, a format of which i am all too aware.
You do know that the viral RNA itself is insufficient to cause measles and that the viral capsid has the mechanisms to enter the cells, right? That's why you don't see measles outbreaks among the caregivers of children who receive MMR.
Wow ladies-great, common sense ideas. I am beyond thrilled that we will now have people in positions of power to actually put these ideas into reality.
I expect to see significant changes in policy and transparency of information over the next 6-12 months. The FDA will evolve from a clandestine operation to a real public health agency. It will be refreshing the watch the transition in real time.
Not fair to compare a homogeneous, long maternity leave, socialized medicine country to a VERY heterogenous, anti government, ZERO maternity leave nation.
Of COURSE vaccine recommendations, requirements and buy- ins will differ!!!!! Imagine that.
Hi Annie, thank you for your comment. I absolutely agree the countries are very different. I think the point we are trying to get across is neither should make non evidence -based recommendations. For example, just because American children are less healthy on average, should it just be assumed without supporting data that the benefits of a yearly covid vaccine outweigh the risks? (We are arguing no) And each vaccine should be looked at individually in terms of the benefits and harms so parents can be empowered to make informed decisions. I'm curious if there is a vaccine you think definitely SHOULD be given in the US but not in Denmark and why.
At what point does the prevention of the spread of disease (and thus the health of the community), rather than the health of individuals enter your analysis?
I guess my take is "chance of prevention of disease to others" should be part of the information that is provided to parents/vaccine recipients so the choice is in their hands. As in: what is the chance it will benefit them? What is the evidence we have that it will benefit others and what are their risks if they take the vaccine?
Personally, I don't think mandates should be used because, it's consistent with basic medical ethics that patients should have the right to decline or consent to taking any medical product without coercion.
I am confused with some of your comments. There is a panel of experts that meets routinely to discuss vaccines. Granted the latest meeting was postponed. Paul Offit estimates it costs 1-1.5 billion to bring a vaccine to market, and many years. So it’s no easy feat that a vaccine makes it that far. Your article seems to indicate that vaccines are not well studied and that current professionals do not continue to have discussions regarding their efficacy and delivery schedule. And it is true though, United States and Denmark are two very different countries with different health care systems and culture.
Parents have the right to style their children's hair with peanut oil, but I wouldn't try to sell that to the parents of peanut-allergic children. Schools are basically compulsory, so the immune-suppressed are forced to attend alongside the vaccine-avoidant.
I'm curious, what is the relevance of the phrase "anti government" in your comment? Sincerely, I can't imagine how the sentiments of a people toward their government or government in general would have any effect on their susceptibility to infectious disease and therefore the necessity of any particular medical intervention.
If the suggestion is that being anti government also makes you vaccine hesitant, ok I can possibly grant that line of thinking... So then you're maybe suggesting such a country needs even more aggressive public health policy because people will ignore more of it? I.e. ignoring half of ten recommendations still gets you to the same level as following 5? I think it's clear though that this strategy is not working for the US. Let's be practical and try to think strategically. Why *are* US citizens less trustful of their govt? How can we restore that trust? How did Denmark achieve 90% compliance with zero mandates? The onus is on the govt to earn the people's trust, and the US health agencies have a pretty spotty history, esp in these recent pandemic years.
This article intrigues me... Infant mortality in developed nations is correlated with vaccine doses... The more vaccines, the more kids die... And this is in developed nations!
I think we would both love to have him on. I know him personally; he and I have talked on the phone. Maybe he would agree to joining the show once his is confirmed. I agree it would make for a good, hopefully constructive, conversation.
This article is very concerning to me. As a new mom living in a heavily anti-vax community (and currently recovering from Whooping cough), my thoughts are:
- we can’t cherry pick what we care about in healthcare. If we want to reduce vaccines, then we need the healthcare infrastructure to support it. The incoming administration has no plans to fix this.
- vaccines are not about “improving overall health”, they are about preventing death from deadly diseases. We live in a generation who never saw people die of polio, TB, etc BECAUSE we have been fortunate to live in a world with vaccines. We have short-term memory as a nation and are forgetting how terrible these illnesses are. There are other ways to improve overall health, which we should promote. But reducing vaccination rates won’t solve our overall health.
- Americans don’t care about the research. We pick a side we agree with and argue it until we’re blue in the face, research be damned. You can do all the studies in the world to show that vaccines are good or bad, and people will still stick to their beliefs.
Denmark is a different country with a different healthcare system, demographics, and risk for infectious diseases from travel abroad. Let us know when you're ready to genuinely factor in such things when trying to compare childhood vaccine schedules.
> This means that vaccine hesitancy will likely continue to increase until adequate studies have been performed, and for each and every vaccine - both those already in use and those under development - there is clear and unequivocal data that shows that the vaccine is overall beneficial.
I think this is the key point and it'll be an uphill battle to convince those that need to be convinced but great on you all for trying with evidence-based arguments.
Dangerous topic to discuss. Appreciate the leveled approach (the fact it is so taboo suggests that vaccination has become a sacred cow...which isn't every sciency) Maybe we need to start with the vaccine schedules we keep for pets and livestock and go from there.
Hmm not sure the pet vax schedule is the place to start. Pet vaxes have some 7 way vaccines eg that to me seem like a bad idea (I am a vet). Also vaccinating every 3 years for rabies? Why? The CDC says the rabies vax lasts at least 20 yrs but admit they don't really know. Maybe the human rabies vax is different but some of what goes on in the pet world is most certainly a money grab.
I'm saying start the fight there. Run a study on pets where owners get to choose if they vaccinated or don't and monitor general health. Seems like it would get around the ethics issue for the human vaccines.
As a tree hugging, bleeding heart, liberal Dove, I am irritated that being skeptical of vaccines, FDA and other health agencies has been somehow taken over as a conservative position. I have a 17 year old.. 17 years ago I researched all the vaccine schedules from around the world and made my own schedule based on countries that had better health outcomes than the US. I have to fill out a religious exemption every year because I can’t show my child has any vaccines without showing proof that all vaccines have been taken, which is ridiculous. But I fill it out and laugh at the ridiculous notion that being against some should mean you’re against all.
I’ve also told my friends who are freaking out over RFK Jr that he isn’t going to break the system.. the wheel has been invented already, we just need to throw out our broken wheel and replace it with a better wheel from another country that has much better health outcomes than we do.. there are 35 countries to choose from, but my recommendation is we pick from the top 5. Spain, Italy, Japan, Denmark or Switzerland.. when they still seem skeptical, I ask them if they were on vacation in any of those countries and ended up in the hospital would you be worried about the quality of healthcare you were getting? The answer is no.. as a matter of fact, if you knew you were going to end up in the hospital and had the chance to pick which hospital you wanted anywhere in the world.. I’d pick one from any of those countries way before any US hospital. The only hospital in the US that I would ever recommend is Mayo, but they are not as good as they use to be either..
It is not just the total volume of vaccines but the quantity per visit. A policy of “There is no upper limit on the number of vaccines that can be administered in one visit”, opens the door for who knows what interactions. https://karlkanthak.substack.com/p/with-rare-exceptions-all-vaccines
As someone who has been a pediatrician in a community with a high level of antivaxx belief, and as one who has treated patients during an outbreak of vaccine-preventable illness in that community, I'm not at all happy with this article, and I fear that it is going to feed the flames of the vaccine-avoidance problem we already have. A few thing to point out:
-The US has a much larger and more economically-diverse population than Denmark. Our poor are poorer than Denmark's, and have consequently less access to healthcare when they are ill (as well as having less access to good nutrition--"food deserts" are very real). Children being hospitalized for RSV can bankrupt their parents, so prevention of hospitalization is very much a long-term health issue. Children with chickenpox can easily pass it to their grandparents, who end up in intensive care with varicella pneumonitis (not theoretical--I've seen this more than once) , which, again, leads to an obviously bad outcome. If the US did not have a significant subset of the population that is Fox News propagandized and more interested in actually educating themselves about their health beyond "one weird trick" approaches, I'd be all in favor of a robust public discussion about the relative benefits of immunization. As it is, we all saw the response to COVID-19 (in which regions with higher rates of immunization against SARS-CoV-2 had lower mortality rates than those with low rates) and the rise of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr's scare campaign (which has given us, among other things, an unnecessarily high death rate from the 2019 Samoa measles outbreak). If the US had a much smaller wealth gap, universal access to healthcare when needed, and nutrition education that was not dominated by the same agricultural corporations that provide us with high-fructose corn syrup- and palm oil-laden treats, we might have the basis for comparison. As it is, the US immunization system--flawed as it is--is designed to prevent the transmission of disease, and less to benefit the individual patient.
I have patients who are entirely unimmunized, and they attend school with children undergoing treatment for leukemia and autoimmune illnesses. That is a recipe for catastrophe, but that is the price of the absence of vaccine mandates. When--not if--one of these immune-suppressed kids falls ill with a vaccine-preventable illness that threatens their life, I'll deal with that, and so will that child's parents. The parents of the unimmunized kids will read them "Maisie's Marvelous Measles" and go on with their lives.
Pediatricians are the worst of the worst, knowingly injecting poisons into healthy innocents. They all know the delimiting effects these $hots pose yet they continue to pump these poor babies with the poison all the while they continue to collect kickback$ Big Pharma feeds them. There is a special place in hell for these pediatricians.
But, people are starting to wake up, praise God.
Always good to hear from someone with a strong background in immunology and physiology. Please keep 'em coming!
You sound boosted and in need of your 8th shot.
Got my flu and my latest COVID19, so I am indeed boosted. Laughed off a COVID infection that took out my unvaccinated neighbor. When you work with sick kids, you should be boosted.
Cleveland released a study recently, a 27% increase in flu in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated not to mention mercury/thimerosal exposure and it attendant risks.
Which vaccines currently use thimerosal, and how much mercury is taken up from thimerosal (ethylmercury) as compared to methylmecury? A link to Cleveland's study might be nice.
Have you tried fruitination? To be fruitinated all you need is to see a fruit avatar. It has a powerful psychological effect that makes people feel safe and secure in a new paradigm. Do you want to join in and help fruitinate more people? All you need to do is add fruit to your avatars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSOMA3QBU0
personally know a pediatrician who calculated her lifetime left on the table earnings for not bullying parents in jabbing constantly on schedule (and she has not retired yet) - 800K - its their bread n butter, add to that the increase in post jab visit sicknesses and new neuro issues and that is how they bank. There were no pediatricians - GP did it all before this new healthcare business. If a pediatrician pushes jabs all day - 72 by age 18 to every kid, he is just a salesman
Got any kind of a source for those numbers? For example, who is paying your pediatrician friend extra for giving vaccines?
common knowledge, 1 minute search just now:
https://providers.anthem.com/docs/gpp/KY_CAID_PU_COVID19VaccineProviderIncentiveProgram.pdf
That's about COVID19 vaccine, not routine pediatric immunizations. There was, you may recall, a pandemic ongoing.
you already admitted if kids stick to schedule you get a bonus
source is a practicing pediatrician such as yourself
insurances pay for percentage of patient population vaxxed and you, or your COO know this
https://open.substack.com/pub/amandhavollmer/p/76-vaccine-studies-and-more?r=wko4q&utm_medium=ios
Insurances only pay a bonus if a kid gets all their vaccines on time. Stretched-out schedules and missed appointments void that. meantime, if you're looking at twenty and forty bucks a patient, that's not going to get you to eight hundred grand anytime soon.
The linked paper is another Gish gallop. Most of the papers cited do not indicate what the blogger says they do.
thank you for explaining why so many pediatricians get angry at parents delaying vaxxes
even putting them out of the practice over it
GPs took care of and kept much healthier kids forever before pediatricians were even getting started
the pediatrician calculated lost earnings over about 25 - 28 yrs
so if you already know this why did you ask me who pays?! and proof is here on convid jabs even for small pt pops. read the actual studies- no matter the blogger.
"Delimiting"?
I fully support your input here, but I would like to add the obvious(to me) ignorance about why there is a need to continue to administer HepB vaccine starting at birth. These are those reasons:
1. There remains an unknown level of those already infected with Hep B in the American, indeed the global, community.
2. The potential for an unimmunised child (or adult!)to contract Hep B from this source is therefore an ongoing risk, with the potential for long term liver damage, liver failure and hepatic cancer to supervene.
The use of community-wide immunisation against these risks, starting at birth is, at this point in time, and within the bounds of current knowledge, the ONLY way to prevent this cascade of chronic disease from occurring!
I find it very difficult to understand how such apparently qualified and trained scientists would propose any reduction in this schedule.
Exactly this. It is incredibly frustrating to see people propose such comparisons and then completely ignore the obvious. It becomes disingenuous.
The Harvard Pilgrim Study concluded only 1% of injuries and deaths from vaccines are reported to VAERS due to voluntary reporting and follow up safety studies are nonexistent though were a requirement when the vaccine liability act was passed in 1986. This court is very challenging with the deck stacked against claimants as it’s adjucated by government judges with no trials. Despite these factors, to date 9500 claimants have been paid $4,500,000,000 since 1989. If reporting was mandatory on the part of physicians, and a more fair system to try these cases was put in place, we can extrapolate these numbers to be 1,000,000 cases and $450,000,000,000.
No wonder there’s RFK, Jr speaking to transparent gold standard research to allow informed consent and freedom to chose what goes into our children’s bodies.
The Harvard Pilgrim review did NOT say for injuries AND deaths. It reported, in one single sentence, that vaccine injuries were reported at 1%. It does not differentiate vaccine injuries between minor and severe like it did for drug reactions, but logic would indicate a similar split between the likelihood of reporting a serious event versus a minor one. Running with a blanket "1% of injuries and deaths from vaccines are reported" based on this single report is lying by omission. Using a single sentence to justify the idea that serious adverse events are not being reported is misrepresenting the scope of The Harvard Pilgrim Study. Embarrassingly devoid of critical thought on your part and everyone who repeats it.
What’s embarrassing is your intentional diversion tactic and overreaction. Indeed over 90% of injuries aren’t being reported and subsequently the public is again being mislead as to safety. Until it’s mandatory reporting, the gaslighting of parents will continue due to money and arrogance.
Now you're completely making things up. You have absolutely NOTHING to base that 90% claim on. And you still have no idea what the reporting rate difference is between minor and severe reactions. VAERs is not the only vaccine monitoring system and is certainly not the only gateway to proving a vaccine's safety profile. The fact you need to be told this is very telling.
So you’re going to try to coverup vaccine injuries with this fake indignation and pretending I’m off base while children are getting injured with the toxic cocktail? 1% is the reporting rate, enjoy your delusional BS pHARMa shill.
How quickly the facade melts away for ignorant anti-vaxxers.
You think dismissing a single sentence from a single report in 2011 is "covering up vaccine injuries." You ignore the other vaccine monitoring systems, trials, and third-party studies which conclusively show vaccines are safe and effective. But i'm sure you also confuse this line with "perfectly safe and perfectly effective" which absolutely no one claims.
Still don't see any link to a real study, rather than an assertion from an HMO in Massachusetts that likes to use Harvard's name to boost its credibility.
So an HMO that is selling a software package to overhaul VAERS claims--does not demonstrate, claims--that a system that gets huge numbers of reports from physicians, hospitals and the community, and is well known to the anti-vaxx community is not getting reports of reactions and negative events? Tell me, how many cases of Guillan-Barre avoid hospitalization?
Meanwhile, we have a guy famous for running an anti-vaxx outfit that went as far as to work with AfD in Germany, and who appointed a guy with a history of falsified data to conduct a study on immunization-autism links, and that's "gold standard"?
https://open.substack.com/pub/gingertaylor/p/timeline-of-events-in-the-william?r=15h3z0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
You can use any software package you like, that’s not addressing the real issue, which is what the study tells us. The real issue the study identified is that physicians aren’t mandated to report injuries and don’t according to this study, irregardless of setting, software package, etc. There’s a huge disincentive for a physician to voluntarily report an injury temporally associated with a procedure so as not to self-incriminate. These huge numbers you indicate, are much worse and are just the tip of the iceberg.
The same study shows a higher reporting rate for serious reactions to drugs. Logic would indicate the same for vaccine reactions. But you'll ignore that reality and run with the single sentence they published in 2011 as a catch-all to make your idiotic point. Shameful ignorance if you think serious events are not reported at a higher rate than minor injuries like a fever or sore arm.
1% is embarrassing and is used against the public to promote safe and effective. Again we see the usual over promise and underdeliver. Trust is down even amongst physicians of pHARMa and our “health” agencies. We spend more for less by overall measures by 2-3 times and rank 40th give or take by the WHO, and 69th in outcomes behind VietNam and even with Algeria. This is what happens with the fraudulent healthcare system filled with corruption and money first rather than patient outcomes.
1% is a single study and doesn't differentiate between minor and severe reactions. The only thing that's embarrassing here is your reliance on a single sentence from 2011 to base your entire point around.
The health in the USA is what happens when people are poorer every year, consume cheap and stimulating tasty treats frequently, aren't exercising, and indoors for 90% of their year. Simple as.
1. They threatened to pull out of vax manufacturing, unlike drugs, so they were far worse.
2. Disagree. We never observed this in schools, your answer falls far short of 1/10,000 to 1/22. No one buys that.
3. Frivolous lawsuits, no. Kids were being destroyed by shots. No lawyers waste their time on frivolous. The treatment of vax injuries is a $500,000,000,000 industry so they’re ok with that. Malfeasance and fraud are an impossible bar to reach.
4. Placebos aren’t other vaccines, saline is the standard, period.
Frivolous lawsuits, yes. There were actual cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) that were litigated, then the settlement-chasers showed up. You might want to link to the prevalence of vaccine injuries, rather than pulling twelve-figure numbers and weird fractions out of your...pocket.
Like to know how many cases of autism your needles caused? If it’s 1/36 or so, how many and did you report them to VAERS? Or is it ok to protect others for the common good when most aren’t sterilizing?
Saline isn't the standard. It is one option. You might want to, I don't know, actually talk to people who do medical research. You might also brush up on your medical ethics.
Says the Peds who gets kickbacks.
If you mean "performance bonuses" for meeting such wlidly inappropriate marks as documenting BMI at each visit, documenting having given safety and dietary advice and yes, completing immunizations on time--and I haven't gotten one of those in years, since no one is on-schedule, for a bunch of reasons. Who pays your bills, back-cracker?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kidsfirst4ever/p/vaccines-and-autism-new-study-confirms?r=15h3z0&utm_medium=ios
The retracted study with n<4000? Yeah, that was...us...real convincing.
The retracted study with n<4000? Yeah, that was...uh...convincing.
You rightfully cite social determinants of health like income and access to nutrition as major determinants of disease. Then right after that you revive the tired trope of correlating vaccine hesitancy in red states (revealed by your mention of Fox News just after) with COVID mortality. But you must know that those very same geographical areas suffer most from exactly the social determinants you mention - the poorest states in the country are also the reddest. We're in the midst of a political realignment where the old class associations of the two party system are being scrambled.
Even still, there are exceptions to this simple narrative of ignorant Republicans dying needlessly of COVID: ND under Doug Burgum and FL under DeSantis fared among the best in the country for overall mortality during the pandemic, ahead of CA and NY for example (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_final/COVID19.htm). But none of this proves anything about vaccine efficacy nor scores points for anyone's chosen political tribe, left or right, because (again as you rightfully point out), health is extremely multifactorial and has many determinants, which vary geographically.
If you look at the COVID mortality rates in poor areas of blue states, they are lower than those of areas of red states with comparable socioeconomic characteristics. The poorest states in the country are indeed the reddest--refusing Medicaid will do that to you.
Florida's death rate was lower than California's and New York's early in the pandemic--and it climbed while NY's and CA's leveled off and declined. Sure looks like the vaccine made a difference!
What ‘outbreak’ did you have? How old were those kids when they developed the leukemia and autoimmunity? How and why did they get it? Why haven’t you cured them yet? You must’ve missed the Cleveland Clinic study and the Walgreens study showing more jabs more convid. And the very recent Yale study. And the over 4K studies readily available on google scholar showing convid jab harms and deaths. You must’ve never read vaccine inserts in full nor outloud. Nor given your ppl actual informed consent, just your unresearched opinion. You must’ve never read Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down, Inoculated- How Science Lost Its Soul in Autism telling of Simpsonwood and cdc coverups, etc., Animal Farm, or Propaganda by Bernays. Americans including doctors, don’t know propaganda when they see it, and they don’t know history. All channels are propaganda, all channels just ‘program’ American minds in different directions, anything to distract and hide the truth and keep us warring. Who pays and thus controls messages on nearly every channel? Most men and women cannot turn from that which feeds their wallet and comfort. Who profits, is bribed, is a blind follower, is just following orders, is guilty, is in need of repentance.
(The outbreak was mumps. The kids with leukemia were unfortunately genetically prone to it, and the one with autoimmune illness got it the old-fashioned way--following a Strep infection. They got them in their first decade of life. I haven't cured them because I'm not magic.)
and what straw that broke the camels back flicked their genetic switch on? and what is the new fashioned way to get autoimmune disease?
Please, by all means, provide us links to the Cleveland Clinic study, the Walgreens (!) study. I'd love to get the real truth. By the way, the 2019 Samoa measles outbreak is pretty well documented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak , just in case the current Texas outbreak isn't enough to prove the point. If you have any studies indicating a higher prevalence of leukemia or autoimmune illness among vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated people, please, give us a link! Once again, I'd love to learn the truth.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1
yes it says more jabs more likely to have illness and only 30% helpful soon after and wane quick, in less than 3 months.
(That's not actually what it says.)
do share your exact rationale
(That's not actually what is says.)
https://open.substack.com/pub/marcellapiperterry/p/measles-and-mmr-vaccine-resources-e84?r=wko4q&utm_medium=ios
She's pointing to measles-like reaction to measles vaccine as being a case of measles, which it isn't. This is especially significant as we've recently seen a teenager die from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis from measles the he caught a decade ago--quite possibly the Disneyland outbreak. If MMR vaccine lowers vitamin A levels, simple supplementation should bring them back up again.
10 yrs ago; no confounders there; read the studies rather than complain of the blogger
https://open.substack.com/pub/revealedeye/p/35-critical-questions-to-ask-your-pediatrician-about-vaccines?r=wko4q&utm_medium=ios
This one's just goofy. Now you're just spraying ink.
Asking about bonuses and payments and inert placebo trials is not at all ‘goofy’ among the valid, numerous inquiries. Especially as you just admitted there IS bonuses- the first teo questions. And, you cannot share placebo controlled trials- the third question. And you refuse to read inserts. Saying these questions are goofy is entirely disingenuous and verifies you actually do not seek any truth in the matter as you stated early on. Another misleading falsehood from another pediatrician. Repent, and be blessed. Peace.
https://open.substack.com/pub/jbhandley/p/measles-is-a-con-job?r=wko4q&utm_medium=ios
there are links to actual research through these reports; wikipedia is not even accepted reliable source in most colleges
Neither are blogs. Looking at the blog, this guy's all over the map. He's pointing out that measles and mumps are low-incidence--in places with fairly high levels of immunization, and he's comparing rates of measles and mumps--droplet-spread illnesses, that are transmitted with a cough--with tickborne illnesses like Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and things spread by poorly-handled and unpasteurized foods like brucellosis and botulism. He's pointing out that there have been measles outbreaks every year, then jumps to a paper asking, if there are so many unimmunized people, where the outbreaks are. This is...not very sound science.
forget the blogs if you want despite them being filled with actual research not your broad generalizations and
read the books
all of which cite hundreds of studies
and google scholar,
or.. keep parroting cdc propaganda and head in sand and getting in line for booster number 9, 10, 11…
Seems you dont want to learn really, it would rock your world to face your crisis of belief and then admit it. Take care and be blessed.
then you know that the TX outbreak of msles was right after a vaccine clinic in that county too
Yes, one which the patient zero of the epidemic did not visit.
The research articles need to be actually read . And the books. And google scholar holds over 4K on covid jab harms and deaths. If you’re truly interested. Happy reading.
Yes, I'm quite sure that a (checks notes) private equity cowboy with a Stanford undergrad education has assembled a meta-analysis much more significant than decades of research in numerous medical schools and labs worldwide, and he is (of course) not motivated by profit. This is turning into an antivaxx Gish gallop, a format of which i am all too aware.
https://open.substack.com/pub/jonfleetwood/p/measles-vaccine-sheds-for-nearly?r=wko4q&utm_medium=ios
You do know that the viral RNA itself is insufficient to cause measles and that the viral capsid has the mechanisms to enter the cells, right? That's why you don't see measles outbreaks among the caregivers of children who receive MMR.
show me the study that proves that after you read everything I sent and the books too
Wow ladies-great, common sense ideas. I am beyond thrilled that we will now have people in positions of power to actually put these ideas into reality.
I expect to see significant changes in policy and transparency of information over the next 6-12 months. The FDA will evolve from a clandestine operation to a real public health agency. It will be refreshing the watch the transition in real time.
Outstanding article! Thoroughly enjoyed reading and am 100% supportive of all 7 points! Well done.
Thank you, Stephen!
Not fair to compare a homogeneous, long maternity leave, socialized medicine country to a VERY heterogenous, anti government, ZERO maternity leave nation.
Of COURSE vaccine recommendations, requirements and buy- ins will differ!!!!! Imagine that.
Hi Annie, thank you for your comment. I absolutely agree the countries are very different. I think the point we are trying to get across is neither should make non evidence -based recommendations. For example, just because American children are less healthy on average, should it just be assumed without supporting data that the benefits of a yearly covid vaccine outweigh the risks? (We are arguing no) And each vaccine should be looked at individually in terms of the benefits and harms so parents can be empowered to make informed decisions. I'm curious if there is a vaccine you think definitely SHOULD be given in the US but not in Denmark and why.
At what point does the prevention of the spread of disease (and thus the health of the community), rather than the health of individuals enter your analysis?
I guess my take is "chance of prevention of disease to others" should be part of the information that is provided to parents/vaccine recipients so the choice is in their hands. As in: what is the chance it will benefit them? What is the evidence we have that it will benefit others and what are their risks if they take the vaccine?
Personally, I don't think mandates should be used because, it's consistent with basic medical ethics that patients should have the right to decline or consent to taking any medical product without coercion.
I am confused with some of your comments. There is a panel of experts that meets routinely to discuss vaccines. Granted the latest meeting was postponed. Paul Offit estimates it costs 1-1.5 billion to bring a vaccine to market, and many years. So it’s no easy feat that a vaccine makes it that far. Your article seems to indicate that vaccines are not well studied and that current professionals do not continue to have discussions regarding their efficacy and delivery schedule. And it is true though, United States and Denmark are two very different countries with different health care systems and culture.
Parents have the right to style their children's hair with peanut oil, but I wouldn't try to sell that to the parents of peanut-allergic children. Schools are basically compulsory, so the immune-suppressed are forced to attend alongside the vaccine-avoidant.
I'm curious, what is the relevance of the phrase "anti government" in your comment? Sincerely, I can't imagine how the sentiments of a people toward their government or government in general would have any effect on their susceptibility to infectious disease and therefore the necessity of any particular medical intervention.
If the suggestion is that being anti government also makes you vaccine hesitant, ok I can possibly grant that line of thinking... So then you're maybe suggesting such a country needs even more aggressive public health policy because people will ignore more of it? I.e. ignoring half of ten recommendations still gets you to the same level as following 5? I think it's clear though that this strategy is not working for the US. Let's be practical and try to think strategically. Why *are* US citizens less trustful of their govt? How can we restore that trust? How did Denmark achieve 90% compliance with zero mandates? The onus is on the govt to earn the people's trust, and the US health agencies have a pretty spotty history, esp in these recent pandemic years.
This article intrigues me... Infant mortality in developed nations is correlated with vaccine doses... The more vaccines, the more kids die... And this is in developed nations!
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9897596/
Time to have RFK on the podcast?
I think we would both love to have him on. I know him personally; he and I have talked on the phone. Maybe he would agree to joining the show once his is confirmed. I agree it would make for a good, hopefully constructive, conversation.
This article is very concerning to me. As a new mom living in a heavily anti-vax community (and currently recovering from Whooping cough), my thoughts are:
- we can’t cherry pick what we care about in healthcare. If we want to reduce vaccines, then we need the healthcare infrastructure to support it. The incoming administration has no plans to fix this.
- vaccines are not about “improving overall health”, they are about preventing death from deadly diseases. We live in a generation who never saw people die of polio, TB, etc BECAUSE we have been fortunate to live in a world with vaccines. We have short-term memory as a nation and are forgetting how terrible these illnesses are. There are other ways to improve overall health, which we should promote. But reducing vaccination rates won’t solve our overall health.
- Americans don’t care about the research. We pick a side we agree with and argue it until we’re blue in the face, research be damned. You can do all the studies in the world to show that vaccines are good or bad, and people will still stick to their beliefs.
As a new mom, you should do some research. Start with Dissolving Illusions.
None of the vaccines given routinely are for "deadly diseases". You have been propagandized.
Thank you both so much for your work. I uploaded the video and article to my community health course.
Denmark is a different country with a different healthcare system, demographics, and risk for infectious diseases from travel abroad. Let us know when you're ready to genuinely factor in such things when trying to compare childhood vaccine schedules.
> This means that vaccine hesitancy will likely continue to increase until adequate studies have been performed, and for each and every vaccine - both those already in use and those under development - there is clear and unequivocal data that shows that the vaccine is overall beneficial.
I think this is the key point and it'll be an uphill battle to convince those that need to be convinced but great on you all for trying with evidence-based arguments.
Umm, most of europe does not do Hep B at birth, but does in the first year. Denmark is the outlier there. In a good chunk of europe it's even mandatory. https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/Scheduler/ByDisease?SelectedDiseaseId=6&SelectedCountryIdByDisease=-1
Dangerous topic to discuss. Appreciate the leveled approach (the fact it is so taboo suggests that vaccination has become a sacred cow...which isn't every sciency) Maybe we need to start with the vaccine schedules we keep for pets and livestock and go from there.
Hmm not sure the pet vax schedule is the place to start. Pet vaxes have some 7 way vaccines eg that to me seem like a bad idea (I am a vet). Also vaccinating every 3 years for rabies? Why? The CDC says the rabies vax lasts at least 20 yrs but admit they don't really know. Maybe the human rabies vax is different but some of what goes on in the pet world is most certainly a money grab.
I'm saying start the fight there. Run a study on pets where owners get to choose if they vaccinated or don't and monitor general health. Seems like it would get around the ethics issue for the human vaccines.
As a tree hugging, bleeding heart, liberal Dove, I am irritated that being skeptical of vaccines, FDA and other health agencies has been somehow taken over as a conservative position. I have a 17 year old.. 17 years ago I researched all the vaccine schedules from around the world and made my own schedule based on countries that had better health outcomes than the US. I have to fill out a religious exemption every year because I can’t show my child has any vaccines without showing proof that all vaccines have been taken, which is ridiculous. But I fill it out and laugh at the ridiculous notion that being against some should mean you’re against all.
I’ve also told my friends who are freaking out over RFK Jr that he isn’t going to break the system.. the wheel has been invented already, we just need to throw out our broken wheel and replace it with a better wheel from another country that has much better health outcomes than we do.. there are 35 countries to choose from, but my recommendation is we pick from the top 5. Spain, Italy, Japan, Denmark or Switzerland.. when they still seem skeptical, I ask them if they were on vacation in any of those countries and ended up in the hospital would you be worried about the quality of healthcare you were getting? The answer is no.. as a matter of fact, if you knew you were going to end up in the hospital and had the chance to pick which hospital you wanted anywhere in the world.. I’d pick one from any of those countries way before any US hospital. The only hospital in the US that I would ever recommend is Mayo, but they are not as good as they use to be either..
Americans love their fakedemics. It’s part of the fear-submission-invasion paradigm that rules the society
It is not just the total volume of vaccines but the quantity per visit. A policy of “There is no upper limit on the number of vaccines that can be administered in one visit”, opens the door for who knows what interactions. https://karlkanthak.substack.com/p/with-rare-exceptions-all-vaccines